There's
a lot of talk going on about FCM dealing with the Payza situation. As
usual the ones who like negativity are quick to talk their talk what
they think and what not. Fact is FCM is here dealing with this.
Whenever there is a situation we come up with solutions. We keep
going till the problem is solved. Many members who been with us from
the start (January last year) know exactly what I mean. We had the
stalling cycler lines so we came with the weekend line. That worked
for a while but had too many cons compared to pros so we came with
the profit units. That is working very well as you know. It's the
reason we have well over 40,000 members. We also came with a solution
for members to earn residual income (with the downline builder) just
like we announced many times.
Now let's get down to this. What are we facing at the moment. We're in a situation where we have over $82,000 in reserved (frozen) funds in our Payza account. It's part of Payza's policy, I have explained that a few times before so if you don't know please read the earlier updates. I have posted the release schedule when the bigger amounts in Payza will be released, which is starting from March. This means in March we will be able to enable Payza withdrawals again so that means more room but instead of waiting on Payza we came with our plan to speed things up (fill the Payza gap). Our plan consist of multiple phases.
PHASE 1
Now let's get down to this. What are we facing at the moment. We're in a situation where we have over $82,000 in reserved (frozen) funds in our Payza account. It's part of Payza's policy, I have explained that a few times before so if you don't know please read the earlier updates. I have posted the release schedule when the bigger amounts in Payza will be released, which is starting from March. This means in March we will be able to enable Payza withdrawals again so that means more room but instead of waiting on Payza we came with our plan to speed things up (fill the Payza gap). Our plan consist of multiple phases.
PHASE 1
At
the moment we are in phase one where we increase our forex activities
with more capital so we can make more profit. Most of you already
know but we do this through PIP MEGA which we just recently launched.
PIP MEGA is doing even better than we imagine so that's a boost.
PHASE 2
Phase
2 is 2 new programs we will launch this year. One is a great fast
money maker that's almost ready now. It's a unique concept that's
being build at the moment by a company that's selling a well known
script. They're making some modifications to their script so it works
as we requested. Advantage is the cost are much less than when we
would build the system from scratch. Disadvantage is the fact that
they will sell the system after a hold period (about 15 to 20 days
after we received the final product). It's ok because if we would
build it from scratch we would have copy cats anyway because the
system is actually quite simple but a great money maker for people
who like passive income and for promoters. This new program will not
only earn members good money but us too of course as admin so that
means more available to make more profit.
The second program we're building “inhouse” and is my personal idea I have since a long time. This program is a monster on paper with big numbers. I'm very excited about this and hope we have it ready soon so you can see what I mean.
I don't think I have to explain that next to big earnings for members we as admin will earn too of course so that means again more money to make more profit.
The second program we're building “inhouse” and is my personal idea I have since a long time. This program is a monster on paper with big numbers. I'm very excited about this and hope we have it ready soon so you can see what I mean.
I don't think I have to explain that next to big earnings for members we as admin will earn too of course so that means again more money to make more profit.
PHASE 3
Phase
3 is the investments in start-up companies we do that will start to
earn good returns at some point. These returns are all residual
income so it means we earn like every month or whatever period set in
the contract. The returns calculated are huge. I mean like Facebook
and Google huge. People who bought shares early in Facebook or Google
are very wealthy now with non stop streams of income. I'm not saying
the companies we invested in will be like Facebook or Google but they
have the potential to earn us huge income (I mean HUGE!) so that
means once again more money to make even more profit.
Between these phases we also have a few other things that are running like trading commodities and investments in recommended programs by members (the email I sent earlier with request to send us your investment suggestions) so that means more money too.
Between these phases we also have a few other things that are running like trading commodities and investments in recommended programs by members (the email I sent earlier with request to send us your investment suggestions) so that means more money too.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR YOU?
For
now it means we need to keep the limits like they are and withdrawals
will take longer because we have capital in our trading accounts that
we need to make more profit till Phase 2 comes (which will be soon).
Then we can raise the limits and process faster because there's more
“liquid” (not tied up) money.
I know many will not understand this because they can't see why we have to work like this at the moment to make sure we get to phase 2 (which will be soon) but believe me it's very important to follow the plan. I have seen many programs with good admins close because of bad managing of funds or situations like we have with Payza at the moment. Without a good plan it's not possible to continue so that's also one of the reasons many programs stop after some time because it takes a lot of planning and dedication to come up with solutions.
I think our plan is very strong and it will get us ahead much more. I truly understand some members are frustrated trying to get their withdrawals in and get the message “limit reached” every time. Believe me if I could I would lift the limits right now but we need to think long term. If we drain our trading accounts to do all withdrawals then how do we make profit? I think maybe if you keep that in mind you understand it better. Once we're in phase 2 we get more room because we earn more so then we can raise the limits bit by bit to even remove them completely.
Some may turn their back to FCM because it's very hard to get your withdrawal in if you're not on time but I think our true members know we're working very hard behind the scenes and it will not stay like this for long. Those who stick around will greatly benefit when we launch our new programs because FCM members will have first entry.
Even though I have explained in detail now what we're doing I think it's good to read a conversation I had with Mark (from trackegg.com). I talk to him quite a lot and always let him know what's going on. He's very active on forums and told me about the negativity that's going on at the forums because many don't understand. He asked good questions so I think it's good to read this to get the complete picture of what we're doing and why things are like they are at the moment. Don't mind my typos and spelling as I was typing real fast to get all I wanted to say out. This is the original conversation without any alteration. It's quite long so if you don't want to read it it's ok because the same is explained in detail in the info above.
I know many will not understand this because they can't see why we have to work like this at the moment to make sure we get to phase 2 (which will be soon) but believe me it's very important to follow the plan. I have seen many programs with good admins close because of bad managing of funds or situations like we have with Payza at the moment. Without a good plan it's not possible to continue so that's also one of the reasons many programs stop after some time because it takes a lot of planning and dedication to come up with solutions.
I think our plan is very strong and it will get us ahead much more. I truly understand some members are frustrated trying to get their withdrawals in and get the message “limit reached” every time. Believe me if I could I would lift the limits right now but we need to think long term. If we drain our trading accounts to do all withdrawals then how do we make profit? I think maybe if you keep that in mind you understand it better. Once we're in phase 2 we get more room because we earn more so then we can raise the limits bit by bit to even remove them completely.
Some may turn their back to FCM because it's very hard to get your withdrawal in if you're not on time but I think our true members know we're working very hard behind the scenes and it will not stay like this for long. Those who stick around will greatly benefit when we launch our new programs because FCM members will have first entry.
Even though I have explained in detail now what we're doing I think it's good to read a conversation I had with Mark (from trackegg.com). I talk to him quite a lot and always let him know what's going on. He's very active on forums and told me about the negativity that's going on at the forums because many don't understand. He asked good questions so I think it's good to read this to get the complete picture of what we're doing and why things are like they are at the moment. Don't mind my typos and spelling as I was typing real fast to get all I wanted to say out. This is the original conversation without any alteration. It's quite long so if you don't want to read it it's ok because the same is explained in detail in the info above.
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gummybear: have you been watching the mmg forums?
Sent at 6:23 AM on Saturday
me: what about it?
gummybear: the FCM bucket is getting very saturated
a lot of ppl are aware of the 00:00 withdraw time now
Sent at 6:32 AM on Saturday
me: yes true
but it's not for long like this
It been explained many times
situation is like it is
I wish we could use that $82,000 in Payza
but we can't
so we have to work with the limits
in the meantime we generate more profit
some people think you can make money from thin air
if we miss $82,000 then that's a lot of money
other sites probably would have closed
we find solutions
I think it's important to look at what a program is doing
if there is a situation how it's handled
we always inform our members
if they can't think further then
me withdrawal you pay
then they need to ask themselves why there are updates
we have helped many people and continue to do so
but with a situation like this it takes time to fill up the gap
that have been explained many times too
we even posted the full release schedule
very frustrating if people don't even try to think
it doesn't help
I can tell you that much
we're doing very well with PIP MEGA as planned and making more profit
we have also recently sent out and email to ask members for their investment suggestions to get them involved in what we're doing
because we planned this
of course it takes time but we're moving very fast
hopefully at some point they will understand that updates are there to inform you what's happening
and even if you paid in a program there are things that can happen like a Payza reserving $82,000
that's a lot of money
Sent at 6:46 AM on Saturday
me: if we have our trading accounts that need capital to be able to trade but we also have to add more to pay members then there is a situation
we came with a solution and that's working well
but it takes a bit time
i have explained that too
gummybear: thanks for the explanation… what happens after the 82k is released?
me: in March the bigger amounts will be released so then we enable withdrawal to Payza again
that will enable more people to withdraw
big difference if you have 82k available or not
gummybear: so the bucket will never be fully removed right
me: depends
the limits are to control withdrawals
without money you can't make money
at least not much fast
so we need to know the numbers
understand what I mean?
you can't just blind do withdrawals
you need to know how it affects
I think you have seen enough programs stop paying
ask yourself why
why duid they stop paying?
because they scammed?
sure a lot will be like that
but also many have good admin but managing the funds didn't go well
look at long term payments
good admin but ...
you see?
also that other big program
forgot the name
good admin and it was super big
but then problem managing the funds so had to do a restart
and that put all people of
W4A
another example
gummybear: so instead of limiting withdrawals, why not limit earnings instead?
me: I can name so many
gummybear: so ur saying that currently members are earning too much from FCM
and you are not able to keep up with the earnings
me: no
that's not it
I just explained to you we'ree missing 82k
you understand 82k?
gummybear: yup
me: I mean 82k!!!
so it's not the earnings of members
it's the calculations we made with Payza
now Payza is not available for withdraw so we had to recalculate
with a lot less
you understand?
gummybear: ok so if the 82k was fully released one day
me: so numbers are different
gummybear: the bucket can be removed?
me: yes then you could open up Payza fully
82k is a lot
we could use even more for trading and investments than we do now
it would give it all a boost
gummybear: is payza gonna freeze anymore of your money?
me: now we do that with more capital in our trading accounts so we can make more profit
well they agreed to 5% per week
instead of 10%
so that's good
gummybear: ok cool
me: I trully don't understand why they need to reserve that much
there should be a cap
gummybear: how long do they freeze it for?
me: at like maybe $25,000
or something like that
it's total nonsense you need to reserve that much
gummybear: yea i agree
so the bucket will get better in March then
me: yes probably even before that time
because as I mentioned in the update the Payza situation forced us to go harder now
so that's what we're doing
that's also the reason I want members involved
understand what we're doing
it's important
gummybear: i remb i asked you about stopping payza deposits a few days ago. i forgot what your answer was
me: well problem with that is Egopay
we pay through Egopay
because some pay with Egopay
from Payza it's very easy to transfer to Egopay
takes less than one business day
so we combine Payza and Egopay this way
till Payza realease the big amounts and then we enable Payza too
so then there's more room
in the mean time we have been able to generate more profit too
gummybear: sorry i dont really understand
me: what you don't understsnd?
gummybear: your whole explanation… if you stop accepting payza deposits now, there wont be a problem in the future right
me: well if 5% is reserved and 10% is released
that's a better situation if you ask me
also don't forget that even if it's Payza money it's still money
money we can use
we earn from cycler spots
gummybear: its causing more problems than benefit IMO
also, less and less ppl are using payza now
so if you remove it, it wont affect you significantly
me: yes tru but still there are
and we can pay through Egopay
if you would stop deposit through Payza it would also attract less new members
keep in mind every new member can earn us a lot of money
gummybear: thats true too
im trying to think of a better solution to this bucket
me: when we launch a new site like PIP MEGA
gummybear: that's the main concern here
me: we have over 1,500 members now
that's fast if you ask me
when we launch the other programs we hope our members will join us there too
so we expand to make more money
gummybear: will that help the bucket?
me: we have investments running with good return
well let me put it like this
how can a site pay you daily return?
how do they do that?
only possible if they make more profit than they pay
so if we make more profit we can pay more
isn't it?
that's how it works
if we would make like 10% per day
we could easily pay you 8% per day
you see?
so if we want the bucket to have a higher limit or no limit at all we need to get more in the bucket
it's simple said
but that's basically it
so our whole plan is based on that
we have not said anything else
from the first moment we announced thee new hyip we explained that
gummybear: "things will get increasingly better and the bucket will grow as the months pass"
is that statement correct
me: well we're doing well with PM
like we planned
we get more investments running
in the mean time old investments start to bring us more returns
we have a few investments in start-up companies
that we feel can bring huge profit
it's like the people who got in Google or Facebook early
also I told my viral program idea to our peogrammer
and he said you will be millionair soon
lol
gummybear: haha nice
me: but it indicates he sees the big potential
we started now
searching for a base script
we will build the program on that
also the hybrid is coming
it may not be a big one like the viral program
but it will make us some more profit
plus more capital for investments and our trading
you see?
gummybear: yea the hybrid sounds really fun
me: things take time
gummybear: ppl need to remember how fun FCM was
me: it's just like that
yes
gummybear: they will come flying into the hybrid
me: I can understand it's frustrating
believe me
if it was possible I would turn of the limits
but we need to stay focused
follow the plan
or we will be like the other programs
gummybear: trust me, I 100% understand your situation and the limits you have placed,
but 90% of the people are not like me
me: yes
and that's the problem
remember the popup on every page?
very annoying
why did we do that?
exactly to prevent talking like they do now
but thjey refuse to read anyway
gummybear: it doesnt matter how many pop ups or emails you send to the members, thats not gonna work… the program is still suffering
ppl are not happy with whats going on
me: so we have it only on the first login now
gummybear: even though its not your fault
less ppl are making deposits
and they are starting to withdraw because their worried
me: yes and they're welcome to try other programs
no problem
when they lose their money fast they will remember
keep in mind I have been online for a long time
tried many programs
still do
only a few make profit
gummybear: but instead of allowing members to leave, why not make them stay?
me: that's what we're doing isn't it?
get them involved
keep them updated
some will understand and some not
it is like it is
it takes time to generate money
but the program must keep running
so it's important to follow the plan
gummybear: the bucket exists only because of payza right?
me: well also because some pay with one processor and withdraw to another
explained that too
we made a promise
to help those who are stuck
in Payza and STP
so we try to keep that
gummybear: okok so if payza is removed completely, it will significantly help the bucket, is this statement correct?
me: no
because we don't have that money
remove Payza and then what?
gummybear: i mean once the frozen funds are out
me: still missing 82k
well already said we consider dropping Payza
gummybear: ok i highly support that
me: so yes when the bigger amounts are released and we enable withdrawal to Payza again we'll see
because it would mean we don't allow deposits from Payza
but do allow withdrawals
I still see quite some payments coming in from Payza
because a lot other programs can't offer Payza
so that's advantage too
not saying we'll keep Payza
gummybear: so you have to decide whether that amount of deposits from payza users is worth more than the problems its causing
me: just saying we should look at pros and cons
exactly
if it's bringing a lot members
it's maybe worth it
gummybear: yea thats my main question
me: especially since we have a plan in place now
keep in mind
if we make a lot of profit
who cares about the reserved amount
understand what I mean?
if we have steady high profit we don't worry about that 5%
if it's running then every week 5% will be released so ok
why not
just now it's something we didn't calculate
and that's the problem
the amount went up very fast
with 10% per week
that's why i talked to a Payza manager and got her to lower to 5%
but they wouldn't agree on releasing above $50,000 as I requested
eventhough I think $25,000 is enough already
they say it's for our protection
but I think it's more for their income
gummybear: yea it probably is
me: that's why the viral program will be hooked up to i-payout
probably
or something like that
plus you'll be able to get a debit card
so no more problems with those processors
gummybear: the viral program isnt 100% passive right
me: just get money directly
not 100%
you need to give it a little push
but once it's rolling it's not stopping anymore
that's the crazy thing about it
gummybear: you cant reveal anything yet right
me: you can't stop it anymore
no because we need to build it first
I think maybe somethings will be different or we add more
our programmer has good ideas too
so as we go we'll see what's best
Sent at 7:42 AM on Saturday
me: I think people who are complaining need to ask themselves if they understand what's going on
have they even read our plan?
have they not seen PM launch with a bang
have they not seen the email we just sent about investments
I mean
they need to think a bit
of course it's frustrating but we're working on it
gummybear: i can understand where the public is coming from
i understand your situation too
me: of course
me too
that's why I say I understand it's frustrating
but some things you have no control over
I wish
I truly wish
we're not online for over a year for nothing
our system is good
many earned 1,000's and 1,000's
ask Rune Fjortoft how much he earned
ask others
some started with just $10
and they earned 1,000's
not kidding
so we helped a lot of people
and we'll continue
we always go for solutions
just like wityh the weekend line
gummybear: yea you have really built a good reputation
me: remember that?
gummybear: yup
me: well we talked about that a lot remember?
gummybear: there is a handful of ppl who really praise you
me: we talked about thjis way that way
gummybear: do you follow your mmg threads?
me: not too much
I don't like negativity
it will make you want to quit
because you feel those people are just unthankful for the work we do
it's a lot of work
believe me
I sleep at my computer
not kidding
our peogrammer goes to sleep at 8:00 AM or later
we work day and night
if you read what those people say it will really give you a bad feeling
gummybear: yea you really are the most determined admin i've seen in all my years in this industry
me: it's because I like to help people
I have good relations with many members
I tell them what's going on
like I do with you
gummybear: and i appreciate you taking the time to do that
me: it's just the people who join a program and think to get rich overnight
gummybear: many admins fail to recognize the importance of communication
me: if that doesn't happen they start to talk trash
gummybear: unfortuantely thats the nature of this industry
me: I don't mean the ones that are frustrated now
because I understand that
I mean the ones who are so quick to talk negative stuff
just to talk negative
because they like that
it's very annoying
remember the golden path?
I hear it just stopped
gummybear: ppl in this indusry do not trust admins at all, but that's because every program has scammed them, so that's why ppl are so negative all the time
me: I never joined
gummybear: yea i remb
me: but that's another one
see what I mean?
gummybear: TGP was my highesr ROI program in my career haha
me: people talk now but we're still here
going harder
but they don't see that
they don't connect the dots
if they did they would see it
plan is in motion
but it takes time
gummybear: all the ppl who talk negative are newbies
they dont understand the industry
me: mostly i think yes
gummybear: if a program scams me, i dont even comment
i just move on
me: lol
yes you learn that
same here
gummybear: it takes time to understand
i remb when i was a newbie, i used to make angry posts too
me: well me too
gummybear: its the cycle of life, nothing we can do abt it
so just carry on what you are doing best
Sent at 6:23 AM on Saturday
me: what about it?
gummybear: the FCM bucket is getting very saturated
a lot of ppl are aware of the 00:00 withdraw time now
Sent at 6:32 AM on Saturday
me: yes true
but it's not for long like this
It been explained many times
situation is like it is
I wish we could use that $82,000 in Payza
but we can't
so we have to work with the limits
in the meantime we generate more profit
some people think you can make money from thin air
if we miss $82,000 then that's a lot of money
other sites probably would have closed
we find solutions
I think it's important to look at what a program is doing
if there is a situation how it's handled
we always inform our members
if they can't think further then
me withdrawal you pay
then they need to ask themselves why there are updates
we have helped many people and continue to do so
but with a situation like this it takes time to fill up the gap
that have been explained many times too
we even posted the full release schedule
very frustrating if people don't even try to think
it doesn't help
I can tell you that much
we're doing very well with PIP MEGA as planned and making more profit
we have also recently sent out and email to ask members for their investment suggestions to get them involved in what we're doing
because we planned this
of course it takes time but we're moving very fast
hopefully at some point they will understand that updates are there to inform you what's happening
and even if you paid in a program there are things that can happen like a Payza reserving $82,000
that's a lot of money
Sent at 6:46 AM on Saturday
me: if we have our trading accounts that need capital to be able to trade but we also have to add more to pay members then there is a situation
we came with a solution and that's working well
but it takes a bit time
i have explained that too
gummybear: thanks for the explanation… what happens after the 82k is released?
me: in March the bigger amounts will be released so then we enable withdrawal to Payza again
that will enable more people to withdraw
big difference if you have 82k available or not
gummybear: so the bucket will never be fully removed right
me: depends
the limits are to control withdrawals
without money you can't make money
at least not much fast
so we need to know the numbers
understand what I mean?
you can't just blind do withdrawals
you need to know how it affects
I think you have seen enough programs stop paying
ask yourself why
why duid they stop paying?
because they scammed?
sure a lot will be like that
but also many have good admin but managing the funds didn't go well
look at long term payments
good admin but ...
you see?
also that other big program
forgot the name
good admin and it was super big
but then problem managing the funds so had to do a restart
and that put all people of
W4A
another example
gummybear: so instead of limiting withdrawals, why not limit earnings instead?
me: I can name so many
gummybear: so ur saying that currently members are earning too much from FCM
and you are not able to keep up with the earnings
me: no
that's not it
I just explained to you we'ree missing 82k
you understand 82k?
gummybear: yup
me: I mean 82k!!!
so it's not the earnings of members
it's the calculations we made with Payza
now Payza is not available for withdraw so we had to recalculate
with a lot less
you understand?
gummybear: ok so if the 82k was fully released one day
me: so numbers are different
gummybear: the bucket can be removed?
me: yes then you could open up Payza fully
82k is a lot
we could use even more for trading and investments than we do now
it would give it all a boost
gummybear: is payza gonna freeze anymore of your money?
me: now we do that with more capital in our trading accounts so we can make more profit
well they agreed to 5% per week
instead of 10%
so that's good
gummybear: ok cool
me: I trully don't understand why they need to reserve that much
there should be a cap
gummybear: how long do they freeze it for?
me: at like maybe $25,000
or something like that
it's total nonsense you need to reserve that much
gummybear: yea i agree
so the bucket will get better in March then
me: yes probably even before that time
because as I mentioned in the update the Payza situation forced us to go harder now
so that's what we're doing
that's also the reason I want members involved
understand what we're doing
it's important
gummybear: i remb i asked you about stopping payza deposits a few days ago. i forgot what your answer was
me: well problem with that is Egopay
we pay through Egopay
because some pay with Egopay
from Payza it's very easy to transfer to Egopay
takes less than one business day
so we combine Payza and Egopay this way
till Payza realease the big amounts and then we enable Payza too
so then there's more room
in the mean time we have been able to generate more profit too
gummybear: sorry i dont really understand
me: what you don't understsnd?
gummybear: your whole explanation… if you stop accepting payza deposits now, there wont be a problem in the future right
me: well if 5% is reserved and 10% is released
that's a better situation if you ask me
also don't forget that even if it's Payza money it's still money
money we can use
we earn from cycler spots
gummybear: its causing more problems than benefit IMO
also, less and less ppl are using payza now
so if you remove it, it wont affect you significantly
me: yes tru but still there are
and we can pay through Egopay
if you would stop deposit through Payza it would also attract less new members
keep in mind every new member can earn us a lot of money
gummybear: thats true too
im trying to think of a better solution to this bucket
me: when we launch a new site like PIP MEGA
gummybear: that's the main concern here
me: we have over 1,500 members now
that's fast if you ask me
when we launch the other programs we hope our members will join us there too
so we expand to make more money
gummybear: will that help the bucket?
me: we have investments running with good return
well let me put it like this
how can a site pay you daily return?
how do they do that?
only possible if they make more profit than they pay
so if we make more profit we can pay more
isn't it?
that's how it works
if we would make like 10% per day
we could easily pay you 8% per day
you see?
so if we want the bucket to have a higher limit or no limit at all we need to get more in the bucket
it's simple said
but that's basically it
so our whole plan is based on that
we have not said anything else
from the first moment we announced thee new hyip we explained that
gummybear: "things will get increasingly better and the bucket will grow as the months pass"
is that statement correct
me: well we're doing well with PM
like we planned
we get more investments running
in the mean time old investments start to bring us more returns
we have a few investments in start-up companies
that we feel can bring huge profit
it's like the people who got in Google or Facebook early
also I told my viral program idea to our peogrammer
and he said you will be millionair soon
lol
gummybear: haha nice
me: but it indicates he sees the big potential
we started now
searching for a base script
we will build the program on that
also the hybrid is coming
it may not be a big one like the viral program
but it will make us some more profit
plus more capital for investments and our trading
you see?
gummybear: yea the hybrid sounds really fun
me: things take time
gummybear: ppl need to remember how fun FCM was
me: it's just like that
yes
gummybear: they will come flying into the hybrid
me: I can understand it's frustrating
believe me
if it was possible I would turn of the limits
but we need to stay focused
follow the plan
or we will be like the other programs
gummybear: trust me, I 100% understand your situation and the limits you have placed,
but 90% of the people are not like me
me: yes
and that's the problem
remember the popup on every page?
very annoying
why did we do that?
exactly to prevent talking like they do now
but thjey refuse to read anyway
gummybear: it doesnt matter how many pop ups or emails you send to the members, thats not gonna work… the program is still suffering
ppl are not happy with whats going on
me: so we have it only on the first login now
gummybear: even though its not your fault
less ppl are making deposits
and they are starting to withdraw because their worried
me: yes and they're welcome to try other programs
no problem
when they lose their money fast they will remember
keep in mind I have been online for a long time
tried many programs
still do
only a few make profit
gummybear: but instead of allowing members to leave, why not make them stay?
me: that's what we're doing isn't it?
get them involved
keep them updated
some will understand and some not
it is like it is
it takes time to generate money
but the program must keep running
so it's important to follow the plan
gummybear: the bucket exists only because of payza right?
me: well also because some pay with one processor and withdraw to another
explained that too
we made a promise
to help those who are stuck
in Payza and STP
so we try to keep that
gummybear: okok so if payza is removed completely, it will significantly help the bucket, is this statement correct?
me: no
because we don't have that money
remove Payza and then what?
gummybear: i mean once the frozen funds are out
me: still missing 82k
well already said we consider dropping Payza
gummybear: ok i highly support that
me: so yes when the bigger amounts are released and we enable withdrawal to Payza again we'll see
because it would mean we don't allow deposits from Payza
but do allow withdrawals
I still see quite some payments coming in from Payza
because a lot other programs can't offer Payza
so that's advantage too
not saying we'll keep Payza
gummybear: so you have to decide whether that amount of deposits from payza users is worth more than the problems its causing
me: just saying we should look at pros and cons
exactly
if it's bringing a lot members
it's maybe worth it
gummybear: yea thats my main question
me: especially since we have a plan in place now
keep in mind
if we make a lot of profit
who cares about the reserved amount
understand what I mean?
if we have steady high profit we don't worry about that 5%
if it's running then every week 5% will be released so ok
why not
just now it's something we didn't calculate
and that's the problem
the amount went up very fast
with 10% per week
that's why i talked to a Payza manager and got her to lower to 5%
but they wouldn't agree on releasing above $50,000 as I requested
eventhough I think $25,000 is enough already
they say it's for our protection
but I think it's more for their income
gummybear: yea it probably is
me: that's why the viral program will be hooked up to i-payout
probably
or something like that
plus you'll be able to get a debit card
so no more problems with those processors
gummybear: the viral program isnt 100% passive right
me: just get money directly
not 100%
you need to give it a little push
but once it's rolling it's not stopping anymore
that's the crazy thing about it
gummybear: you cant reveal anything yet right
me: you can't stop it anymore
no because we need to build it first
I think maybe somethings will be different or we add more
our programmer has good ideas too
so as we go we'll see what's best
Sent at 7:42 AM on Saturday
me: I think people who are complaining need to ask themselves if they understand what's going on
have they even read our plan?
have they not seen PM launch with a bang
have they not seen the email we just sent about investments
I mean
they need to think a bit
of course it's frustrating but we're working on it
gummybear: i can understand where the public is coming from
i understand your situation too
me: of course
me too
that's why I say I understand it's frustrating
but some things you have no control over
I wish
I truly wish
we're not online for over a year for nothing
our system is good
many earned 1,000's and 1,000's
ask Rune Fjortoft how much he earned
ask others
some started with just $10
and they earned 1,000's
not kidding
so we helped a lot of people
and we'll continue
we always go for solutions
just like wityh the weekend line
gummybear: yea you have really built a good reputation
me: remember that?
gummybear: yup
me: well we talked about that a lot remember?
gummybear: there is a handful of ppl who really praise you
me: we talked about thjis way that way
gummybear: do you follow your mmg threads?
me: not too much
I don't like negativity
it will make you want to quit
because you feel those people are just unthankful for the work we do
it's a lot of work
believe me
I sleep at my computer
not kidding
our peogrammer goes to sleep at 8:00 AM or later
we work day and night
if you read what those people say it will really give you a bad feeling
gummybear: yea you really are the most determined admin i've seen in all my years in this industry
me: it's because I like to help people
I have good relations with many members
I tell them what's going on
like I do with you
gummybear: and i appreciate you taking the time to do that
me: it's just the people who join a program and think to get rich overnight
gummybear: many admins fail to recognize the importance of communication
me: if that doesn't happen they start to talk trash
gummybear: unfortuantely thats the nature of this industry
me: I don't mean the ones that are frustrated now
because I understand that
I mean the ones who are so quick to talk negative stuff
just to talk negative
because they like that
it's very annoying
remember the golden path?
I hear it just stopped
gummybear: ppl in this indusry do not trust admins at all, but that's because every program has scammed them, so that's why ppl are so negative all the time
me: I never joined
gummybear: yea i remb
me: but that's another one
see what I mean?
gummybear: TGP was my highesr ROI program in my career haha
me: people talk now but we're still here
going harder
but they don't see that
they don't connect the dots
if they did they would see it
plan is in motion
but it takes time
gummybear: all the ppl who talk negative are newbies
they dont understand the industry
me: mostly i think yes
gummybear: if a program scams me, i dont even comment
i just move on
me: lol
yes you learn that
same here
gummybear: it takes time to understand
i remb when i was a newbie, i used to make angry posts too
me: well me too
gummybear: its the cycle of life, nothing we can do abt it
so just carry on what you are doing best
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If
you took the time to read the above conversation I think you have a
good idea how determined we are to get this done fast. We're here,
going harder. Those who stick around will greatly benefit as I said
before. We don't just say things but we actually do it. We have
proven that many times. Members are getting paid. It may take a bit
longer now but we pay. I think that's the most important thing,
knowing you get paid.Ok, thank you if you have read this through. It's very important to us as many as possible know what's going on so they can tell those who just talk negative stuff because they like it or have been scammed so many times that in their opinion every program is a scam. It's sad but true many programs really are scams. I have lost a lot in those just like you so believe me I know. That's why I always warn members about programs because not all work like we do. Thanks again. Talk soon.
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